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The reason anti haxer became a term if there was one guy, it would be this guy. Ladies and gentlemen, tell Bigtree. Thank you for joining me. Absolutely. You just gave a riveting speech.
Hopefully, I have permission to chop it up and use some of this.
It it was really amazing. And one of the fun parts was in the beginning, my mom leans over and she says, you know, you're delinquent mother. I did this all for the same reason. We went through hell growing up because, we had to sign all these religious exemptions, all this stuff. I didn't even know what was going on.
I was like, I got a crazy mom doing these weird things, but I'm proudly a purebod.
Yes. So am I. I had a crazy mom too. I did the same thing without you know? And my mom I I love that, you know, what's great about it, and it's important people that are on this journey deciding to, you know, not actually the kids who are poor, whatever, spread them out, whatever they decide to do.
It's I really am, you know, fighting for choice. I'm not trying to eradicate vaccines from the planet. Everyone should have a choice and live their lives the way they see fit. But one of the things that I really appreciate about my mom was she would take me to those moment. Like, there was a moment where I was gonna go into high school, living homeschooled up until high school.
And I wanted to go to public high school, and the principal was like, you know, we don't allow unvaccinated kids in here. And my mom didn't do that alone. I was standing in the room when he said it. And I watched her have that argument, and I watched her say, well, you know, why? She's like, there's a, you know, there's a religious exemption here in Colorado, and we intend to use it.
She's like, yeah. But none of my kids in this school are unvaccinated.
I was just one of same ways. I knew with my mom that same
same thing. And my mom just said, well, do vaccines work? He's like, per se do. She's like, okay. Then if every kid here has been vaccinated, what threat is my kid to Utah?
And he was like, I mean, say, alright. I guess that's a good point. And, you know, and I ended up going to that school. But I watched her have those debates. I watched her.
I wasn't like in I know I know, Sandra. I know your mom. She reminds me a lot of my mom, but, you know, we're lucky. And and people, you know, we should not be doing this behind closed doors. We I'm not sure.
I didn't put my kids in Waldorf school. I went to Waldorf. You know? Right? But part of that's, like, protecting their childhood, letting them have, you know, you know, a mystical experience, which is true.
But also, what I really grapple with right now is we're raising our kids essentially in wartime. We're under attack by the pharmaceutical industry. We are under attack. COVID was, you know, I think it was a really It's a more bomb. You know, a nuclear bomb.
It's gonna go off again. They're not gonna give up on trying to control our bodies. And so your kids are gonna be, you know, they're gonna their teachers are gonna be talking to them about trans and, you know, that their bodies aren't their bodies and that their parents are crazy. You should be vaccinating. And the state's passing laws to vaccinate your kids without you being there.
The parental rights is just being, you know,
full is destroyed. There's it's clearly destroyed. Everyone's gotta conform. You all need to do this thing. This is how you should think.
And when I grew up, it was very independent. Right? You were you were go do art. Go run through the jungle. Go be a kid.
Go be a kid. And now it's you need to do this to confront, and it's ridiculous.
So I think we have to realize that's the world our kids are living in. So we don't
get to just say, you know, I'm gonna protect them and not tell them anything that's going on as much to be age appropriate. But there's people that may talk to them when you're not around. They need to be prepared
for that. So here's here's a great thing for, parents, and I also I I challenges with this and wanting to have a kid, I'm like, it's war time. Do I want to have a kid and I'm going to have to fight for So for the parents who've already had a kid or thinking of having a kid, what would be your advice to help them keep their sovereignty on a genetic level?
Well, I mean, first of all, I would think if you're going to have kids, I think think about what state you're going to live in. I think it's really important, you know, you'll survive the first couple years, but as soon as they're in a preschool or something, you're to start running into this issue. You know, the parents that are, you know, in California, in New York, you know, they'll say there's nothing I can do. I have to vaccinate. And I just say this, I don't see a 20 foot wall around the edges of California.
I don't don't see some big wall around New York. You can move. And, you know, I think people tell themselves, like, they they they they go, come on. Come on. And they go in back.
Say, hope it doesn't hurt my kid. But they and they tell themselves that they felt like they're you know, I do really have a choice as though that will make up for it should their kid be injured. And I'm I've met thousands of parents of injured children. There's not a damn thing you can tell yourself in the world once that happens to say, to make it all right. You will realize I actually did have a choice.
I could have moved. I could have changed jobs. I could have just decided to raise my family somewhere else. I really want to impart on people. You have to do that.
Yeah. The what if goes both ways, so they throw the fear porn at you if you don't do this negative outcome. But you're actually really enlightening people. If you do do this, there's a similar outcome. Like, you might as well roll the dice and not do it.
You don't have to play that game.
There's not. I mean, if you see my new film, which I was just talking about, An Inconvenience Study, it's free. You can watch it, online at inconveniencestudy.com. I didn't do the study. A scientist trying to prove me wrong did the study, tried to prove to me that vaccinated kids were healthier Henry Ford Health.
At least that's my opinion of why he did it. Otherwise, when he was telling me he was pro vaccine and didn't agree with me, don't know why he really did the study in a way 20,000 kids and what you see are is the exact problem we have. We see about fifty to sixty percent chronic disease, in America. And this study showed that that you were by 10 years old, if you were vaccinated, you had a fifty seven percent likelihood of having a permanent chronic disease the rest of your life at 10 years old from vaccinated compared to the kids that were unvaccinated. That rate was only seventeen percent.
So an astronomical difference. And so, you know, I didn't get into the part of my PowerPoint. You're right. Is there some risk to not vaccinating? Yeah.
There's a risk to, you know, a rare death from We're
A rare death from polio. But if I showed you the numbers, they're they're ridiculous. We're being taught to personalize such a rare risk in the nineties in 1961, before there was ever a measles vaccine. If you go to the vital statistics, which was the original CDC, the death rate of measles in America across America, about one in five hundred thousand Americans die every year. Five hundred total deaths per year from measles.
Now people will say, well, I mean, deaths matter too, Dell. Those five hundred kids. I was like, okay. Sure. I get that.
It's true. Right? But we have to compare that to something. Yeah. So you're telling me so five hundred, I mean, that's one in ten thousand.
That's a point zero zero zero something risk. And I would assume that those four or five hundred, you know, was probably also some adults, some sort of immune issues, some weakness that made them vulnerable. But what I would say is there's studies you can look at have been done all around the world where a person who has measles as a kid is less likely to develop certain cancers. There's about a thirty percent reduction in non Hodgkin's lymphoma if you have needles as a kid. Now, vaccine doesn't do this.
If you prime your immune system by having needles, it saves about thirty percent people, thirty percent reduction in non Hodgkin's lymphoma. That's about twenty thousand people like a year die from non Hodgkin's lymphoma in America alone. So I just saved, you know, roughly six thousand people just then by letting them get the measles. Wait, hold on a second. To protect four or five hundred people, I'm letting six or seven thousand die every year from a disease that this would protect me from.
It gets worse. Ovarian cancer cut in half. Fifty percent if a woman has had measles and mumps when she was a kid. Fifty percent reduction in ovarian cancer. Heart disease.
If you have had measles and mumps as a child, you reduce heart disease and death by twenty to thirty percent. That's there's a million deaths every year from heart disease. I just saved two hundred thousand people by letting you get measles and mumps. So how we this is what pharma doesn't want you to know. Pharma wants you to think I'm gonna be one of those four hundred people that die, and they make you personalize it.
I'll put it like and let's say, like, well, mean, in I have a reporter who say this to me all the time. So, I mean, I get it's a rare risk, but you are putting your kids at risk. And we know that the vaccine protects against measles. It's and I just I make the same points I made to you, but I could see the same thing about being struck by lightning.
Right? I was thinking I can I can
I you if you're afraid of being and look? If if you had every day, you could be struck by lightning. You could be struck by lightning. There's a 100% reduction in lightning strikes if you spend your entire life inside. Stay in your house, lock yourself in your house, you'll never be struck by lightning.
Well, you know, what you're saying with those metrics too is your your system is like a muscle. You work out that muscle. It's stronger. The more you get sick, the more resilient you get. So you're actually you're creating that bubble you remember the bubble kit thing?
Yeah. When he comes out of the bubble, all a sudden he's sick. Yeah. It's because he built no resilience. Yeah.
And that's the layman's way of saying because you just drop metric on metric on metric of exactly why you believe what
you do. And we know this. Science knows this. They know this. They're systematically making us weaker as a species.
Well, I mean, you know, the reason the reason is easy. If you if you sell drugs, Right. And you wanna have a lifetime client, you don't want them to be healthy. You don't want them to have an immune system. You want them to keep coming back, spending money, spending money.
There I mean, if I have to buy a pill every month to take every day, thirty pills a month to stay alive.
Right. And how many people you know take one pill, man? It turns into two
because the side effects are
first pill. Well, well, nice thing you know, it's just that giant pillbox is going on. No.
You see the people, that that are sick, and they never have one one pill, jar. It was a little orange pill. It's at midnight like nine.
No one's taking one vitae cynical pill every Oh,
it's terrible. It's terrible. It's terrible.
Jiggs, you owe me a Coke.
Yeah. So how how let's and I know there's a long story here, but in a short story, how did you come to this point where you became the anti vaxxer act?
Well, I, I ended up I wanted to be a Hollywood filmmaker. I went to Hollywood through some crazy set of circumstances. I backed my way into daytime talk. First job I ever got was, being a producer, field producer for the Doctor. Phil show.
That kind of took up. Friend got me the gig. It was great. It got me out of waiting tables. And then a few years in, they created the show called The Doctors.
And I was right there on the Brown Floor. I was actually the first person, that would go into surgeries and shoot surgeries with a video camera, trying to figure out how to what would the FCC allow? You know, it's about what could you show? I got to be like, they're the guy, like, shooting it, you know? And then there was directors and producer all around, how are we gonna make this work?
So I ended up, you know, working this medical talk show called The Doctors. Like I told you, never vaccinated as a kid, never went to a doctor. And my mom would call me and say, what are you doing working on a medical talk show? You've never been to a doctor in your life. I was like, you know, mom, God's, I think God's behind I feel like I'm like a Trojan horse from here.
From within you, Convert. I'm mostly doing stories that are challenging the medical system, talking about drugs that have been recalled. Why how did they get approved in the first place? And there's just all sorts of stories like that. And I ended up being the highest rated producer of, like, the seven producers on the show.
Probably because he wanted do that. And reward. I mean, I don't know. Maybe. But while doing that show, I I had done a very controversial, story.
The doctor in the middle of it while I was working out with him, he was like, look, you probably shouldn't have me represent this story. I said, why? He said, well, if you look me up online, a lot of people I can consider it a quack. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, well, I'm one of these doctors that believes that vaccines cause autism.
It's like, oh, well, this story has nothing to do with that. It's like, yeah, I know, but it might undermine what we're trying. He's like, oh, leave that to me. Don't worry about it. And he's like, would you ever cover that story?
I was like, you know, hard story to do with the doctors, but you know, look, if you're watching it all the time, something big happens, let me know. So he tipped me off a year later, 2015, he called me and said, remember you said if something big happened on the vaccine or autism thing, I should let you know. And he tipped me off as a whistleblower at the CDC named Doctor. William Thompson, who was coming forward and saying there were committing scientific fraud on the vaccine safety studies. And, you know, I could do a three hour interview just on that journey.
But I made that much. I ended up making a documentary about that was a world called Vaxxed. That was the end of my TV career. I left the doctors told them
to that how viral is Vaxxed?
Vaxxed was so amazing. I mean, really, I had I'd expected I was hoping for some negative press In order to get the story out is that we need if we could get attacked, you know, Last Temptation of Christ, that'd be amazing. Let me we did better than that. We got into the Tribeca Film Festival. They were there was all this sensationalism around people saying baby killers have got a documentary.
It shouldn't be allowed here. Robert De Niro got in the Knicks. It's his festival. He said, I am screening this movie. Screw all you.
I have a child with autism. I believe it's connected. So it was this huge, you know, concoctonous battle. And then two days later, they still kicked us out of the fester. Even after Robert De Niro said he stood by it, and then that made headlines across the world.
It was probably the I mean, we we got a call. The reason we got screened, I got a call just to give you a sense that, that happened on a Sunday. On Monday, I get a call from Angelica Film Center in New York, and he's like, look. You wanna screen your film at Angelica Film at, see, the base art house in New York City. You wanna screen it on Friday?
I said, oh, jeez. We're not film's not done. I mean, we we still had a month before we were supposed to be screening at Tribeca. Most people go into a festival with a pretty finished film, but then you expect to get reviews and notes, and you make some changes and maybe release six months later. I said, we're not really ready.
I said, could you at least if you could give us a month, how about you do this? You know, the day we were supposed to screen at Tribeca, we're screening at Angelica Film Center. He said, Del, your film, Vaccine, is the biggest media story in Hollywood reporter in every media magazine around the world is the biggest story to know. Whether good or bad? He's like he's like, it's the biggest story there is.
And I have no idea if a film's any good. I don't care. And I don't know if that bad hype is gonna last for thirty days. What I know is it exists now, and I can sell out my theater because of it, so I'm offering you Friday. And that's how it started.
And so we, like, all hands on deck, get everybody's names right at the credits, find the music in the spots that we're like, we're just crazy trying to get to last minute edits in and race the film out so that we could start screening on that Friday. And sure enough, lying down the block, and we sold out every theater we went to.
I bet that was, like, kind of the best segue of your life, just that whole sensation of holy crap, I did this and look. How did it feel, Anne?
You know, I'll be on it. Like, it's interesting you said it exactly like the that. There was a moment I was, we were everywhere, every city we were hearing, we knew baby killer headlines. It was really, you know, awful. Yeah.
But it was Controversial price. You know, lined up with the hells, this controversial film, but I was leaving LAX. I'd flown into home to see my wife and my kid. And, I was like getting on to the 405 and I suddenly had this, like, I just like this terrible fear overcome me that this ice cold, like black fluid. It felt like started the top of my head, ran down my toes where I was so scared.
I couldn't drive. I literally pulled off this side of 405 and cars were racing by. I'm like hyperventilating. I'm like, geez, what is going on? And I just, I knew it was about no.
I knew it was about all this stuff. I I just said, okay, Del, like, all you did you're you're a filmmaker. You interviewed people that spoke their truth. You put them in front of a camera. You edited it together.
It's emotional. You're good at that. But all of these headlines, it's not you. You didn't that's God. That's something bigger than this.
You're just a human being. You're just a vessel here. You just made a movie. I had big day and I calmed down. And like I just got my breath back.
Like thirty days later, happens again. Same ice cold black fluid all the way down the tips of my toes. I'm like, F is going on? Yeah. Same thing.
Talked myself off the ledge. All you are. You're a regular guy. There's all the hype everywhere we were, everywhere we're going. And, I was like, there's gotta be somewhere this is starting.
I'm I was like, I was a chill teenage dude. You know what I mean? Wake up at eleven in the morning and, you know, I was always, like, pretty relaxed. This is not obviously I'm having some form of a panic attack. Well, I was like, where's it starting?
And then, I was, I was reading, just picked up a Bible in a hotel, the Bikidians Bible once. Happened to just open it up. And it was Jesus in the forty days in the desert. And, you know, Satan was telling him, you know, bring, you know, turn this stone into bread and you can, you know, take care of yourself. Could feed, you can drink, bring down your angels, show your power over You just open it you.
Yeah. Just open that up. That's beautiful. I thought that's interesting. Or with you know, was like, okay.
Read it. And then, like, a couple days later, I had been in a city. People would grab me when I get off the Vaxx bus. Can you come talk to my senator? Can you come talk to my congressman?
So I I would. And there's one day I was really being hard on myself because I had an opportunity to talk to the governor, but I was totally exhausted that day. And I you kinda gotta get revved up. It was the guy that kinda chickened out. I didn't really make the call and just laying in my bed like, Del, you don't do this.
Who's gonna do it? I mean, you're letting everybody down. You're the only one that can make this call. You're the only one can talk to governor. You let you know, you you you me me me.
I I I I and I was like, oh my god. This is where it started. This is where that fear is starting because I'm saying I'm doing it. That I'm doing all this. That I have the power.
I'm the one that's, you know, making this big. I'm the one that's gonna change the world. And it starts from an altruistic place. I should make this call. I should do more.
I don't. And who else is? But slowly but surely that I ended up making me feel all alone where I was all alone. There's no God in that world. There's nothing bigger than me.
It's all me and who's going to protect me. And then I would just suddenly have a moment when I'm so utterly alone and terrified. And from that moment on, I never allowed myself to say I did this and I don't because it's like a bad trip. If I, if I smoke that drug of I'm doing this, then I know I will have a panic attack a few weeks from now because I have lost perspective that I think I'm doing them. And as long as I stay clear that I'm just a vessel of regard and I think God is behind the work that I'm doing, I'll do whatever I'm has to do next.
And whether we win, we lose, however this all turns out, that is not what I'm doing. I'm obviously hoping for some great ending, but the only thing I'm responsible for is to do what I'm being asked to do at my very next step. How it all turns out, that's in Kazan.
Amen. So with all these congressmen, governors, etcetera, did you rally some of God's angels to your side? And how did that look?
How did that feel? I think as soon as you step into the type of faith that facts backs demanded, I had to call my wife and said, I'm going to destroy my TV career. Like, I don't know where the money's gonna come from, but I'm supposed to make this movie. In the moment I did that, I would say I lost sight of my long term vision or enough producer. Like, I make films.
I I make television. I'm really good at predicting all that can go wrong, what will go right. So we all do millions of dollars.
But I feel like I suddenly lost that long term vision. I had a sense of what I want feeling of what I want to accomplish, but I would just and I still do pray and meditation everyday God. What's the next step? What's my new choice? Because that's all that I could do.
And so I've stopped worrying about whether I have angels. I stopped worrying about who else is there. I can only be responsible for myself. So, yeah, but I did meet angels. I met a guy that thinks exactly like that.
Robert Kennedy junior. I love that guy. And the guy who I ended up, I said, you should run for president. Was that you? You ever was that?
That was, think if you asked him, he would still say, it's your fault. He, that's exactly what he says when he's having a bad day. This is your fault. This is your stupid idea. God bless it.
Bless it. He I spent three years as his director of communications when he did run for president. I got to be in the Oval Office when he put his hand on that Bible as HHS secretary. But I've even more than than the way I see it, he he picks up that mantle every day and just does the next right thing. And he's not I've said to people, if he didn't get confirmed as HHS secretary, he'd be the same guy the next day.
You wouldn't be, like, kicking walls with things. He genuinely said, oh, no matter the when we had some tragedies and crazy things would happen, and we started as Democrats, and we moved into being independents. And, you know, and then he joined Donald Trump. Oh, I mean, I can't tell you how lucky I felt to be in the room with a man like that trying to navigate that. And and we all prayed, like, what are we supposed to do here?
But, that guy just genuinely gets up in the morning. He's like, I'm going to achieve as much as I can, and it's in God's hands. And as long as it lasts, I'll do it. And whenever it ends, it ends. And so we've talked about angels.
Angels are those other people that I think are not worrying about their lives. They're not worrying about, you know, their safety and not worrying about how this all turns out. There's a lot of us now that are just putting one foot in front of the other.
And I think, I think the world's changing because no. I mean, you need people to provide hope and some sort of pappam. The controversy is what breaks down those walls in society. And people start to go have a moments and they go, well, wait a minute. I mean, this side is saying I shouldn't look over here, and this side is saying you should look here very loudly and clear.
Wait. Yeah. And then people so people stop listening to the noise, and they start seeing what might be truth or what is truth as opposed to seeing those walls. So I I thank you for that. And where are things going in politics right now with the topic at hand?
I mean, I think Bobby's been the most successful HHS secretary in my lifetime. I would argue he's done more in the last year. I mean, really, it's been about a year. He only got confirmed in February. It's now April.
So it's been just over a really solid year. That guy has gotten chemicals out of baby food and, you know, heavy metals out of baby food investigations. You got the president investigating microplastics there. They just announced they're going to look at psychedelics as far as, you know, PSD. PHD, cellular depression.
I mean, these are gigantic, gigantic change, change the entire food pyramid. Yeah. Is looking at changing all the school lunch programs. He even reduced the vaccine program from 56 shots down to 20, four, twenty six shots by switching us of the Denmark schedule. But that has been undone by a lawsuit against him by American Academy of Pediatrics.
So he's in the fight of his life. What I would say is, look, whatever he accomplishes is more than we would have accomplished without him being there. Government should not be determining our health. Not the right place.
It's our body. Our body. My body, my choice. My body, my But
they want the government to dictate it. I say we should mostly be looking at him as just sort of a pause button, holding back the censorship, holding back the attacks. We need to build new systems. We need to build them now that are not reliant. So what would be a
societal call to action? Because Bobby's one guy. He was doing his best. Society out there, what can they do on the grassroots level, a day to day level? What can anyone do that?
What would you recommend?
Tell everyone they know exactly what you just said. Do you believe your body, your choice? Do you believe that the government owns your body or do you own your body? Do you believe the government owns your children or do you own your children? And if they're like, yeah, no, I own my kids, then do you want to be forcibly injected with products the government decides for you?
Or would you like to have a choice? And I would even we have a tool that COVID gave us because I know how controversial this topic can get. And, you know, I'm always looking for a way in in conversation. Be like, I can't talk about this topic at all. Well, ask or miss, are you hitting the tent, Kilohub Worcester, Sean?
Really like, I know. Most
You know, I I still got COVID after the fifth one.
That's right. Stop. Nine out of ten people, by the way, I'm just going on the stats, nine out of ten people are not getting the latest booster. Oh, I wonder why. You know?
So you pretty good chance of asking the question. So are getting the the latest booster? No, man. I think I'm done with it. I'm done with that.
But it's recommended. Right? Like, you it's recommended that you get it. Yeah. I know, but I feel like I've had enough.
Interesting. What would you think if Donald Trump mandated that next booster shot? Would you get it then? I'll screw you, but not no. You're like, so you feel like that should be a choice of yours?
it should be. Yeah. Trip him up a little.
Yeah. You see where we're at in this conversation now? I'll leave the rest to be. Figure out
basically inspiring a little critical thinking and Yeah. Attacking
I saw a great, I saw a great reporter, a different topic, but I saw a great reporter at, an anti ice March. She, she went in and some guys like, you don't, We want you out here, like, you know, getting pretty violent. Right. And and she's like, well, we're like he's like, did this one is is for this anti ice protest? She's like, oh, so I see you on the sidewalk.
It's like, yeah. You could well, we'd probably be further away. Said, no. But but there's a border. You have a border here.
What you're saying is a border. Like, I you want me to so you get the lawn, you get your people get the lawn, and my people stay on the side. Was that what you're saying? Yes. And he's like she's like, why is your lip fluttered?
What's going on? It's that type of argument. Right? Let's let's be realistic here. Everybody wants choice.
If you can get through all the noise in their head, they will realize they stand for the same things too. We've gotta get better at this. We've gotta not attack. Don't bludgeon your friend with a ton of statue. And how many people don't you know?
You you know? You need to do it in a nice way. Do it
in nice way. Ask a question that they're gonna have trouble answering.
You'd be very polite. You'd be you'd be very responsive and understanding while at the same time be like, have you thought about it this way? Like Right. Because you attack them, they're just gonna attack you back. Let's say, under fistfights only ended in more punches being thrown.
Shit. So what what's next on the horizon for you? I know you're always working on something.
I'm building a new like, I've, you know, still got ICANN. We're still suing the government. We were we're we've got some really important cases that we think are gonna end up going to the Supreme Court, which will start really having being able to turn the screws on a national level. We're really excited about that. But I feel like HighWire is pointing out the problem, injuries from vaccines, all the drugs that are poisoning us.
We do great work with the HighWire, but I want to be involved in seditions now. Spent ten years making everyone know you shouldn't really be trusting your medical system, your doctors, but where you go. So I'm building a new hub called Wisdom, W I S D M, about your innate wisdom. And it's focused on holistic health. How do I live a holistic life?
It's really for people that are just starting to ask the right questions. You know, I want people to be able to say like, I don't, I, what, I don't know. What is chiropractor? What is acupuncture? What is AR beta?
What is an EES? I mean, you know, they don't tell me it either. Doesn't mean right.
What's the medicine frequency?
What is frequency? What is all that? Oh, you should go to wisdom. And what we want to do is we're going to have videos, beautiful videos, which is what I do, that explain to you what these different modalities are. You can then go on a journey.
There'll be podcasts you can find about that exact topic. And then inside of that, we're building a directory for find a chiropractor near you, find an innovator near you, find, you know, an energy, you know, system.
Are you working with Sarah and Bobby on this? Cause I've heard of a similar project kind of. This is ours. Okay. One of our tech guys is working on something to kind of help validate the alternative side because we are in an industry in Altria that has a lot of snake oil.
Totally. I mean, not to say that pharmaceutical doesn't have a lot of snake oil as well. Whole world has a lot of snake oil. So we're trying to come up with ways to validate everything really. Because at the end the day, we want metrics.
We want does this work? Whether it's ten years of testimonials that are real and not bought and paid for, or videos of people literally getting well in real time, or we're actually coming at what's called vibe, which is a thousand different metrics off a wearable, we'll be able to see, different energy. So we're actually working on tools in tandem with what what you might maybe we can collab a little.
Totally. That's what it's all about. Yeah. We wanna we wanna space. Look, there's the problem.
Like, we're really very specific on holistic health. Like, there's peptides. We're debating whether a peptide is actually holistic. I'm not sure. Right?
You know, it there's and functional and functional medicine. And will that be there? These are the debates we're having because there's always ways pharma wants to come back and tell you
They are trying to come back and get other peptides.
Is natural. We're going to have blah, blah, blah. I joke. Was it
of MDMA by Pfizer and psilocybin by vodernizine?
Exactly. And then it'll be chemicalized. But really there's modalities where people need to touch you still. They need to feel you, know, and they're not injecting with anything. They're not altering your DNA.
They're not, you know, I mean, all of those things have a place, but
you said it's really well in there is where we're doing so much damage early that we're now having to catch up on back end. That's it. We, we need society to come back to a more of a grassroots, a natural way of living early so that we don't get sick later. Know, throwing a bunch of poison at a kid is definitely not gonna make them live a healthier life.
We're all the biting diseases we're causing to ourselves. Yeah, absolutely. And we can stop that process. So I want to get back to nature. What's natural?
I think we can all live healthier lives and look, pharma has its place. I dismacked the tree, you know, with my ribs two months ago and went to an ER and broke four ribs. I was glad there was an Advil for the first two days. The other otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to breathe.
Yeah. No. They're You're time and the place for all medicines, but they shouldn't be a lifetime. Yeah. They're a fits and I they're a crutch for a short period of time.
Yes. You don't walk with a crutch the whole life.
Right. Yeah. Oh, and call that healthy. Like, you you did the pharma I don't think they've gotten away with it yet, but they keep wanting to say the word healthy should not exclude people that are on drugs.
That there's people living perfectly healthy lives that take drugs every day. I said, I disagree. I disagree. I also disagree. No one's ever been drugged to health.
Ever. So luckily there's a lot more and more people every day waking up to all of these things, but you know, what do we need to do? You know, Bobby's only one guy. Yeah. We need to move.
You're only one guy. I'm only one guy. And frankly, like I get all passion up there because I'm looking at a 100 people, looking at 500 people in a room. I want them to go out and tell everyone they know because we're still not big enough yet. We're getting fledged.
It's much bigger than it was ten years ago when we were growing up as kids. We were that point zero zero zero.
That's it. We were tiny. And now 30% of the world rejected the COVID vaccine. That's all you need, by the way, change every political system. It's 30% passionate people speaking their truth.
We're really there. They're just afraid to speak. Mhmm. And I think that that's the most important thing, especially as Americans. Exercise your righteousness, weaves.
Tell everyone you know that you want choice, that our buck date, my buck boy choice in every single circumstance. And, That's a beautiful call to action there is you
never be afraid to speak your mind, even if you might be attacked for it. Just realize that it's better to like, in in instance, if someone was about to attack you from behind, would you rather that person yell you're about to be hit in the back of the head? It's the same situation. It goes it is it's it's circular there.
Speak your mind. That person might it might take them a year. It might might take them a day or that very moment, but they might have a shift in perspective.
When I screen the film An Incommune Study and at the center of it, this scientist decides not to publish his study. And it's a very powerful film. It's a powerful moment when he admits it. When he really says, I'm not a good person. I'm not going do it.
to finances. Yeah. Comes down
to fear. Really, he states he's afraid of his legacy changing. And I and I'll say to an audience, you know, how many people would say that doctor Zurbos is evil? And he usually sends papers around. Raise or peace.
I was like, oh, because here and I you know, knockout has to drill down and paper block because, I mean, he has that finished save children's rooms, and he's not doing it. He's he's burying this understanding. And I say, okay. Raise your hands if you never avoided talking about the COVID vaccine at the Thanksgiving dinner. You knew it was dangerous.
You wanted to talk to a brother or sister or mother or father or friend, but you're like, I don't wanna create unrassy here. I don't wanna have a I don't wanna have a battle. Raise your hand you never did that. No one raises their hand. We're all a part of this.
Yeah. We're all complicit. Our sign our silence is means we're complicit. If you don't stop someone from killing someone and you could, you're an accomplice. So our fear to speak is why we're in trouble, and it's why people are being injured.
Mhmm. It's why today I said, if you do not realize this is your issue. It's sort of the famous poem, right, from Nazi Germany. Forget the guy that wrote it, but, you know, when they when they came for the Russians, they didn't say anything because I wasn't Russian. When they came for the gays, I wasn't gay, so I didn't say anything.
My, my favorite is, what evil prevails, good man and
That's the simplest one. But when they came for me, there was no one left to stand for me. So I'm the opposite. We don't wanna
be the last one standing. No.
And I don't wanna die a coward.
Abs I mean, that's the biggest thing is I ref I refuse to give away my sovereignty. And if I can speak truth, I'll speak truth. I was very blatant. It's just like, I don't believe in that. Yep.
Because it's I I'm not gonna sit here and regurgitate what you believe to make you feel better. I'm gonna say, well, I I you could argue that a little.
Let's have a day. Yeah. Let's have some fun. Yeah. Let me hear your perspective.
By the way, you know, listen to the person you debate here. Like, I actually care about what they're saying. I'm fascinated by people. Yeah. Not necessarily when I'm fascinated that you're getting a temp booster, really.
Like, have you not seen any? I'm just curious. How do you feel? How do feel?
Did you get COVID any time?
I'm genuinely I am curious. Like, how many times did you
Anyway, you gotta get back to the nation that can have those conversations. Yeah. I mean So it's on us. Right? We're winning.
We're healthier. We've become better. So be kind. Be humble, but start having
We need to remove the lies of the sand. Open up open Discord. We need to talk more, and we need to not worry about left, right, vaxx, anti vaxx. We're just going beyond its just discussing. That's it.
Yeah. Well, Dow, I I appreciate you having this conversation. I don't wanna take you more time. I know you're a busy man. I absolutely love and adore you.
Thank you Appreciate so you. And hopefully, you'll come to Vegas and we can do some more stuff. Let's do that. Yeah.
