I don't think that the idea of looking good though is entirely nefarious and negative. I don't think the idea of wanting to present yourself in the best way forward. There's a balance point there. Right? Because you said it really If you want to look good, Looksmaxxing will give you something for a very short window.
You're tuned into Everything's Energy. What the f*** are we gonna talk about?
We are having a thoughts and musings episode, I think. So we have a bunch of potential topics. It depends on where we wanna start. You and I have never done this before, so I'm intrigued, a little afraid, and a little on the unknown of where we're gonna go, but I say we just go for it.
Let's let's talk about talk about looksmaxxing. It's a really interesting concept that's come up where people are smashing their face with hammers to increase bone density to try and get better cheekbones. I think it's it's a weird concept. Not really new.
That, though. So I I I saw this. There there's this one guy, clavicular or something. I don't even know how his name relates to him because to me, like I he
like clavicles. Maybe. Yeah.
So this whole looksmaxxing thing is it's you're trying to maximize your own given genetics in terms of how you look based upon a framework of masculinity in the features of the face. So Well, it's
not just the face. He was there's videos of him putting, like, feminine products in his shoes, like, from a store to
Oh, to elevate his height? Yeah. So the looks
maxing is height. It's slimness, fitness. The facial mask. He's wearing some makeup sometimes.
Oh, yeah. I saw a video of him and another guy literally, like, applying makeup in the mirror. And I would imagine imagine their great grandfather is going, what the the
I I think we just used to call this being metro.
Yes. Now Metros of all to look maxxing.
Which is kind of a cool name. I won't lie.
But, you know, he's he's he's even putting, like, shoulder pads on at times to make his arms look bigger. Isn't that the same thing where, you know, you go out, you meet a girl, she's wearing fake eyelashes, tons of makeup, all that kind of stuff?
Modernizing dudes doing weird shit Yeah. To look prettier. Yeah.
It's pulling the it's pulling the old go to bed at two of the ten and wake up at ten with a two kind of mentality for men.
Some of the worst parts though is he's literally saying he does methamphetamines, not even Adderall, like meth to Luxmaxx because it helps his jaw structure to look slimmer. It it it sucks the Reduces appetite, so he's not eating as much. That's so I I guess our conversation would be like the extreme shit people do to look sexy. And it goes on both sides. The women have been been doing this since the dawn of time.
I think it started really with, like, the the push up bra. Yeah. Or the corset. The corset. We would get slimmer waist.
Back in the day, they they had those those things that make your butt look bigger, but it was like a a frame.
I'm thinking of, the black and white videos of the big women standing with that big rubber band that shook around them and it would be a fast way to lose weight without having to exercise.
it comes back to human obsession with visual appeal with all that kind of stuff.
And that's a great point too is looking attractive does not equal being healthy.
Most most of the most attractive people I've ever ever known, they have weird health things from gut Mhmm. To mental issues. You if you wanna maximize if you wanna max anything, max healthy living.
Which is not biohacking. We've done an episode on that. Yeah. And anything taken to the extreme by virtue of extremity becomes unhealthy. But to what I just said about, you know, society's obsessed obsession with vanity, why do you think this is getting worse from a societal perspective?
Because I like to examine these things. I mean, that's I
think that's the core of it. Yeah. Social media. Everyone's trying to look better on the Internet.
The precedent that social media is setting for people.
Precisely. Yes. It it goes into that dating concept too is girls see these other girls on yachts with the Lambo and the Birkin, and they're like, well, I I wanna get that. So people are seeing pretty people on the Internet. Like, I wanna achieve that.
And then, you know, people are spending money to do these weird things, whether it's guys or girls. And we'll let's go back to that the face smashing thing, because I think it's fascinating because there's some guy who's literally punching himself in the face to do this this bone smashing thing and a burst of vessels bleeding. But there is some benefit to that because I was saying I trained Muay Thai and when I first started kicking, man, my shins felt terrible. I did the same. And, but it wasn't long after that that you get conditioned and the bone density has increased and you're not feeling any pain.
And you see these Muay Thai guys that are really crazy like kicking trees Like chopping
down. Their legs. My coach used to make us clash shins for reps. Yeah. And it was horrible.
But you're right, over time there is a thickening of the bone, but there's also a deadening of the nerve endings. Yeah. And you're missing communication in your body to turn it into a weapon. And I don't know how many 75 year old guys care about chopping down trees with their tree trunk legs but it can't just be a beneficial altogether. So my worry about what these young kids are doing is when you're young and invincible, you have no concept of consequence.
There's no longevity concept. It's, oh, I'm gonna live forever. I got all the time in the world.
Well, this this guy who we we introduced, he's gone on the record saying it's like I'm not a big longevity guy. That's easy to say at 21 years old. Yeah. Anyone can say anything when they're young and they're not staring impending mortality in the face but it sets a precedent for these young people not to consider everything, the holistic perspective of what they're putting themselves through because it could start with smashing your face with a hammer, which I I say that and I can't believe that that's where society is. We have a bunch of young guys who wanna look more appealing to the opposite sex, so they're gonna, you know, self mutilate to the point of almost extreme.
And overly self medicate. I talked to this one guy who was doing too many drugs. I'm like, you know, you get a long life ahead of you. Get this is very damaging. And his response was, I'd rather burn out than fade away.
okay. So he read Keith Richards biography or something?
The youth think they're invincible, as you're saying, and they're not thinking realizing they're gonna live to 60, maybe. I hope. Unless they, you know 60 is not airplane with a without a parachute. I mean, people aren't thinking towards the future. They're thinking to their immediate gains that they're getting.
So you've got someone taking meth to stay skinny and have a better jawline, not realizing they're gonna burn their whole system to toast. So they're looking pretty now. And ironically, some of these people don't even really they're actually relatively attractive. They don't need a Luxmaxx. Mhmm.
They they need to Lifemaxx. But they're they're gonna by the time they they're 30, they're be extremely overweight, probably mentally ill, and physically ill at 30. I mean, maybe they'll get lucky and go to 40 if they inject enough of these peptides, or maybe go to an EE system for recovery.
That would be a good idea. But you make a really good point. They're living for the short period of time without considering that physiologically speaking, maintaining youth past youth is impossible. Like you can be healthy and look great in your fifties and sixties. I when I'm in the airport traveling you know you see like older guys walking around they're in great shape they have a nice suit on, head of white hair.
I'm like, good for you, man. Like, you you give a shit. You take care of yourself. You see an older woman who's clearly she yoga, pilates, goes to the gym, but they're not trying to look like they're 20 or 30. They're they're they're aging gracefully, but they're keeping their health in check.
So therefore, their physical habitus and their looks are following suit. These young people are just doing the quick fix it quick fix instant gratification. And I find there's a a very deleterious, insidious underbelly to this. All of it is about not accepting yourself. Every aspect of it is about not indulging in any self love because you're trying to be anything but what you are in that moment.
You're trying to better everything and you're living through a lens of pure ego projection through rejection as the fundamental tenant of how you relate to yourself. Does that make sense?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, I I think a lot a lot of they're just trying to get laid.
Which is, again, transactional, not something that's built upon anything other than I wanna satisfy myself.
Not I wanna actually deepen my connection with someone or build a better relationship with someone else?
Well, societally, it seems like people really don't wanna connect with anyone. They they want a a quick dopamine rush Yeah. And onto the next one. Sadly, I mean, it's understandable. Like, basically, they're addicted not just to the drugs, but to the next rush.
What am I how am I gonna get my next rush? I'm gonna grab this rush and then this rush, which eventually leads to ultimately sadness because you you can't at a certain point, you're chasing that dragon Mhmm. And there's no rushes left.
all. Yeah you become jaded and you're gonna be 30 and be like meh.
Yeah like what's the point? Yeah. And it's interesting because if you look at that from a perspective of one's journey through life and I think now we've taken looks as like a surface level symptom, we're going deeper. There is an issue in society that I see with people of just not being content with what they have and who they are and what is. They're trying to squeeze everything out of life not thinking about what am I doing this for?
Yeah. I mean, we could kinda touch on the again, that's a symptom of social media. Everyone's doing this fake glamour shit, and you literally have guys out there renting a Lambo to look really cool on the Internet, going into debt just so they look cooler. They're trying to sell it course. Women are out there whoring themselves to get this Birkin bag one way or another.
I'm flying to Dubai. Where'd you get all those pretty things? Oh, I bet a guy. He was really generous, and now we're not talking. So they could get a pretty bag.
I mean and then so people are seeing this on the Internet and like, oh, well, it must not be that hard to get these things. Girls are going, oh, I I can get a Birkin bag somehow by by doing these weird things. I just gotta look really pretty so that now they're look smacksing to catch some rich dude to fulfill their fantasy of having a a fancy piece of leather that costs a lot of money. Guys are out there, oh, I gotta get this car. Gotta get this car.
I have a nice car. Like, it doesn't bring me happiness. It gets from point a to point b. Mhmm. It's what?
Like, I've never in my life been like, I need
to get a car. Well, you're not doing it for something outside of you. Like, I love cars as well. I have a couple vehicles
That's not your life mission. It shouldn't be car.
No. It's my hobby. Yeah. I race cars on racetracks. I do it competitively, but I'm not doing it because I want to be seen a certain way.
I'm doing it for the thrill and the absolute presence of the experience. Like to me there's a sole aspect of satisfaction that comes from these things. I'm not doing them for external approval or external status. Social media, barely. I don't.
Yeah. That's the difference though. So you have people like, I gotta look really fucking cool on the Internet. And I you got guys and girls, we're looking cool on the Internet. It's like, go buy a cup of coffee with that.
And it's it's interesting you bring that up because I sometimes have these thought experiments. I go, okay. It's 2026. The human race, however old it really is, has been developing in and of itself with just the natural stimuli and influences of itself growing.
Why is it when we are theoretically at the most advanced state of society that we seem to be so disconnected from anything within ourselves internally and we seem to be so externally focused. Like do you ever have these thoughts yourself and ask yourself why does this play out the way it does? I know it's a super deep crazy question. But these are the things I think about when I look at this stuff because if I run a thought experiment in my own head and I ask myself, other than, for lack of better description, blowing shit up to start over again. What is the benefit of this?
Why do we have a society where we have more than we've ever had? We have an infinite number of options to indulge ourselves in any which way we want because we have the resources to do it. But why in conjunction with that do we have more depression, more dissatisfaction? We have people who are suicidal. We have people who are mutilating themselves to try to feel who they really are.
Well, I'm not saying it's aliens, but aliens. It's Energy weapons. It's it's we'll we'll we'll go straight to it. It's the matrix. It's the system designed to create this illusion.
Mhmm. And people are so sucked into this illusion that they think they need to feed the illusion by being a part of the illusion. So they try to integrate with the illusion, become one with the illusion, not realizing it's self destructive. But that's kind of the point of the matrix is consume. We don't want longevity.
We don't we we don't care about your health or anything. We want you to be a good worker, contributing in your taxes, contribute in society as being someone's employee who they contribute in their taxes, feed the beast. The the matrix is is that. It's it's literally if you look at the matrix, you're in a system that's designed to suck energy out of everyone that contributes to it for its own benefit. Mhmm.
It's societally, that's what's been programmed in people is, okay. Well, I need to look this way. I need to be this way. I need to act this way. I need to do this thing because the matrix said so, and they're listening.
I don't think that the idea of looking good, though, is entirely nefarious and negative. I don't think the idea of wanting to present yourself in the best way forward
Making that your whole existence, though, is
there's a balance point there, right? Because you said it really well. If you want to look good, looks maxing will give you something for a very short window. And I've seen this too. Sometimes the people who have, the most natural genetic blessings at the young age, it becomes their identity and then it ends up consuming them and they essentially like, oh, that was the hot person in high school.
They're the best looking person in high school. You see them
Or they just have let themselves go because the pressure of that essentially got to them and they just couldn't sustain and they fell apart. But developing a healthy relationship with yourself and taking care of yourself will actually give you the best possible long term ing potential inside of yourself. How do you think we we help people shift that? Because the way it's going right now, I see it getting worse before it gets better.
I mean, I think we already have some of highest or lowest age rates for longevity that we've had despite technical all the advances.
Yeah. Life expectancy is starting to go backwards.
Yeah. It's starting to go backwards. So that's people are willing to do anything to get the short term. No one has a long term plan on things.
Even longevity as a field is a is a bunch of short term decisions and actions if you think about it. Yeah. Injecting things inside of you.
Experimental things sometimes.
These these, yes. The these extreme measures of, I don't know, caloric restriction with manipulating foods and macronutrients, like everything about longevity is you're trying to shortcut and quick fix how habits and lifestyles of long lived people have done things through time. You're trying to condense that all in a short period of time with decisions and expect the outcome to be that you're going to get to 80 or 90.
I don't think anyone's looking past even a short period of time, which is probably the problem. Mhmm. Everyone's just like, alright. I'm trying to achieve x y z goal. Mhmm.
And they're not really thinking of anything outside that. So the girl who wants to look like Barbie, I have no idea where these women get all this money, but they'll spend hundreds of thousands of dollars looking like Barbie. And a bunch of these these they they die very young, typically. Whether it's suicide, a weird death, they die on the operating table Yeah. Which is actually
sixtieth surgery or something.
Yeah. No. There was an influencer that had a ton of work that randomly died somewhere, and I've heard there's actually a trend I've seen recently of these looks maxing typically females dying. One was getting a BBL and died on the table. That was one one recently.
So but, I mean, you look at look at the ultimate looks maxers, the trans community. They don't look good at a certain age.
They they well, no. The highest rate of self opting out is actually in transgenders. Mhmm. And it kind of makes sense because from a teenager to their peak, you know, they you're young. It's easy to stay beautiful when you're young, especially somehow they're getting all this money for these weird surgeries.
But you don't see a lot of old trainees. No. And it's because they they self opt out very often frequently because their whole identity is being something they're not. And I'm not trying to shit on the trans community. It's just facts.
You know, it's you're right. I mean, most of the people who are
So the illusion. Yeah. They're feeding this illusion so hard that they're crashing and burning at a certain point. Well, I mean, let's say you were a 10 trainee. Like, you did it all.
You look like a female. Barely anyone can tell, but then you hit 40. It's very hard for a 40 year old anyone to continue looking good into their fifties. This is like go go into a state of depression. And I I have I have a theory too that when people don't wanna here on this planet, they manifest self opting out whether it's it doesn't have to be a direct, like, overdosing of drugs or jumping off a building.
They They orchestrate something for themselves. Something on a karmic energetic level where
They're out. They've they've now checked out and the body follows. And I go
to that level as a lens of looking through a lot of these things because if you try to make sense of all the permutations of why someone does what they do, you'll never figure anything out because it's more numerous and you can even fathom. An example would be so, you know, you have some very pivotal points in someone's life. You talked about someone who does a transition, they become 40 years old, then all of a sudden, like, don't want to be here anymore. You turned 40 a few years ago. I'm about to turn 40 in a few months.
There is a reckoning of internal lens of who you are at the age of 40. It seems to be unanimous, among everyone where it's like, who am I? Am I happy with who I've been? Where do I want to go? I feel like something needs to change.
If you have such short term thinking, I'm going to transition fully, then 40 hits. What if you have this thought of like shit
and that's your whole identity is just looking pretty.
And then on the one day you wake up and you're like, I I don't resonate with any of this anymore. You have a massive meltdown internally.
No. You you see a high rate of depression, bipolar disorders, things like that, and people who are extremely attractive in their younger years, and then they hit that threshold where they're no longer really overly attractive, it falls off. And you see mental problems with this. For me, as men, I mean, obviously we're not trying to look have you ever just tried to look pretty at point a in your life?
I mean, just a little bit of foundation and blush. That's about it. Yeah. All
right. I mean, you're trying to you're you're more of longevity guy.
I just try to stay in shape. Yeah. Take care of my health as best as possible, manage stress. And the outcome is either I'm going to maintain, progress, or lose as little as possible of what I have.
Or if I don't manage that well, it's just gonna go downhill quickly.
Yeah. So I mean, I've never really tried to be pretty. That's never been any goal in my life. Maybe in my twenties, I'd yeah.
When you're young and you want to make your life's focus attracting the opposite sex, but now it's
not about It was easier then too. I can go to the gym frequently. I had less stress in life. Was like, alright. Yeah.
I I wanna get laid. Twenties is I wanna get laid phase. That's great. That's a great phase. But during life, it wasn't there was there was never a focus of, this is my mission as a looksmaxx.
Mhmm. I was trying to knowledgemaxx. So I think that your your thought there on hitting 40, I think I would be extremely depressed at 40 if I hadn't done research. I hadn't achieved things. Like, it's easier to learn things in your younger years.
Twenties to to 35, you should be trying to learn a language, learn multiple skills. You have to by the time you hit 40, you've had to done some shadow work, some spiritual something. Some self worth. Hit 40 and and you are not in touch with your inner self. I hate to say you're fucked up.
Well, and that might be a really good practical explanation as to what happens to people because my worry with these young kids and these behaviors that are being promoted and being emulated, they're not developing any internal sense of self other than an external projection of
the illusion. It's very selfish, very egotistical. Correct. That's very crash and burn mentality. And it's about They're gonna have their own rude awakening at some point, and it'll probably be in their fucking twenties.
But the worry there is what if they don't recover from those things and you have an entire generation of people who have been extremely selfish, narcissistic, and self absorbed, never thought about the benefits of how they can provide
We're gonna have to live with these people.
They're gonna be the generation that is eventually in charge at some point. That is scary. It's a scary thought for human.
Elon, on the rocket ship, is there room?
Two two, please. Well, my wife. So three. Like,
that's actually a really scary thought.
It is, though. Yeah. And and I think these things.
In a sea of narcissists that are just trying to fuck everyone around them. Yes.
That's that's pretty a thought exercise, I ask myself, what does that world look like? And then if I go above the third dimensional reality, I say, is this all constructed for the benefit of humanity to have a massive rude awakening back to the concept of blowing things up to start it over. But as of right now, looking at the state of the world in 2026, I don't have a lot of confidence based upon the fact that young men right now are more interested in smashing the cheekbones on their face to allow for some angularity and square their like, cut their jaws to extend them out and square them.
Male surgeries for looking or looks are massively on the rise.
to be, you know, it was just women doing breasts more or less and maybe some fillers.
And women used to get all the bad wraps for but you're right. There's You see it more
and more now, these guys with these really weird shaped faces, and they're in fake pecs, fake abs, fake biceps.
Where I live in South Georgia, there's an aesthetic medicine place across the street from my favorite restaurant. Yeah. And you see a bunch of, I call it, old white hairs. They're going in and they're getting you know forehead injected the dudes. They're getting their foreheads injected and it's this quick fix society.
They don't want to accept what is like we as a society hate aging. It's a bad scene in terms of how it's related to and projected upon us.
Well, it's it's weird self importance. So if your identity is just looking good, then you're obviously I'm not gonna say obviously. It's very high likelihood. You're not supplying society with anything of use.
No value. Your value is your appearance.
So but what value does that have? You're walking around like a are you art?
value self. It's value to
It's it's but it's value to self. It's narcissism. Yeah. Because you're trying to get something from the way that you look.
Plumber can fix your plumbing. Electrician can fix your electricity. Mechanic can fix your car. Distract people. You Do what?
Self important and have very low purpose. Mhmm. Which would make sense why some of these people self opt out early as they have that rude awakening where they're like, fuck. I'm useless. And their heart never opens.
Yeah. Not to be overly spiritual or or profoundly spiritual, but if you are if we look at it from a lens of energy anatomy, right, the the lower energy centers, the the root chakra, the emotion, the emotional centers and whatnot. Like, if you stay there, you never get to the point where you realize that you're not the most important thing in the world. You're just part of an integrated system. And that's what's limiting society's growth right now because in the Western world it's all about how much I have.
What I can get from you not what I can do for you. Oh you built something good, I'm going to steal this.
to try to put you out of business so I can benefit from what you've done and I'm gonna step into the role as the guy or the girl who's the leader
That doesn't sound like anyone I know.
No not at all. But people do this all the time. I don't know if you know this. People do this all
Yeah. They're the the yeah. I'll I'll shut up. I'm gonna get myself in trouble. No.
Society if you're you're either a contributor or you're a parasite, and I hate to say this, but during COVID, I started to understand why the elites wanted to kill everyone. And when I'm in traffic, it regurgitates. I'm stuck in traffic, and it's just a bunch of people who should know how to drive better. Getting in accidents, you're either a parasite or you're a contributor. And the world has an ever growing parasitic
Problem, and it's people.
The microbiome of the planet has a parasite infection.
Yeah. And so people if you're listening, I'm not trying to be dark, but I I I put I I spent a lot of time soul searching and thinking why would someone or a group of people do this during the pandemic? And it started to make sense. And the more we have conversations about it, I'm just like, these guys really think everyone's parasitic. But at the end of the day, there are a lot of parasitic people out there.
They do not contribute anything, and they take a lot of energy. It's pretty dark to consider it that way. And then, you know, during the pandemic, you also saw a kill off of what?
People who lacked critical thinking.
No. No. I'm actually, that that those were the people telling you to go out and do a bunch of shit you shouldn't do. No. We we we had elderly.
Oh, yes. The elderly were the first to go, and it's in New York, the, governor there literally started sticking COVID patients into old folks' homes. It's like, where the fuck would you oh, wait. These are people who are no longer contributing to society but are are getting Social Security. They're getting benefits.
They're parasitic financially parasitic to the establishment. But you saw that across the world. You saw a kill off of people who were unhealthy or old. Mhmm. These people are parasitic in nature because they're no longer contributing the finances, but they're taking from the government finances.
So and what does our governments have the biggest problems with right
Yeah. We're we're spending more than we, bring in.
Our consumer debt to GDP ratio just reached what it was during World War two yesterday.
It's fishery. Country too. I don't well, maybe not. There might be a
couple that are doing okay. So insolvent. But yeah.
But pretty much everyone has continually spent more than they're bringing in. A lot of it has to do with the corruption. And, you know, Elon tried to come in with Doge and shut up this all down, and he got into a bunch of trouble because I think he was getting into some politics with the piggy banks. But it's you have these bag of of bolts that cost $60,000 on the paper, and it's like, it's $200 worth of bolts. Why does this cost $60,000?
Oh, these are very special bolts. I'm sure they're con those bolt bags of bolts are contributing to someone's financial retirement plan very, very nicely. So there's no way to
talk about a politician. They're more than just bags of bolts. Oh, you're talking about legitimate bolts.
So Well, no. They are actually nuts.
They're they're bolts that identify as nuts. But I I love the the Nick Schirley stuff going on right now where, you know, he went to Minnesota and exposed all these Somali daycare centers that had no kids in them. Now they're going into California finding hospice. There's a bunch of hospice medical fraud. So
Oh, that's the next wave?
That well, they're do the daycare and hospice. So I need a second. You can start a business in America and say that you're doing something in Medicaid, daycare and hospice, and just get free money. And they're wondering why we have a bad budget. It's like, well, stop the fraud.
Don't you know, we don't need new taxes. We need the spending to come back to some sort of norm.
You know? It's it it really is a terrible scenario because at its core, patterns, you love pattern recognition, right? So everything that we've spoken about today is a symptom of narcissistic self obsession, greed where you are placing yourself above anyone or anything else in terms terms of being the beneficiary in a situation. Mine
I I Yeah. And I see as it it let's say this way of operating politically started sixties or the seventies. Right? Let's say after Nixon took us off the gold backing system that the Fed had free game to manipulate currencies and markets and various things, you create a bunch of a mafia like entities that have Politics?
the ability to push things in the favor of the way they want it to go. That culture on a micro level is present in the Luxmaxxer. Yeah. Or is present in the person who is just wanting to be pretty to be seen somewhere assuming that they increase value because
Those who can't be pretty try to get rich. And those who can't get rich steal.
That is a very very sound thing. Yeah. But it is a truly a symptom of a sick society. And we're seeing mental illness in this context not being stable, emotional wellness not being stable because I don't care who you are. If you think that your value will go up in the world by smashing your face with a hammer, to me, that's emotionally and mentally unwell.
I gotta say, though, I it's more altruistic than stealing someone else's shit. I would say it's self harm.
I would say it's less malignant. Yeah. Wouldn't call it altruistic.
I would say it's self You're you're right. That's a that's a much better terminology for it.
But the the act of it in and of itself is an illusion of what you are and who you are in the same way that someone who's a grifter is pretending to be an altruistic authority.
Oh, it seems like most grifters actually try to pretend that they're altruistic. I'm a guru
and And they get found out. Special. Everyone gets found out in the end. But my whole thought process of where this is is it's not a good sign because we also see the mental and the emotional dysregulation being part and parcel with look how sick people are these days. You see young people in their thirties and twenties developing chronic conditions.
And spiritual wellness, I don't I don't know what that is.
Spiritual wellness would be a great thing for people to learn. I feel like we're we're back with the grifting though because most modern religion is a scam. It's it's let me take your shit. And even in the new thought
spiritual era, it's also a bunch of people who go, oh, look. These people are easily dupe able. Yeah. They're lost. They're looking for something
The good book says you need to follow this rule. Where is it in there? It trust me. Source. Trust me, bro.
that there are hundreds of different iterations of Christian bibles alone makes me go, well, I can't believe any of this is the word.
Well, spirituality ity shouldn't be monetized. I mean, that's the problem.
Monetized, and it should not be controlled in its ability to tell you what you can and can't think
Can and can't do. Or else if you do this, you're going here. If you do that, you're going there.
Yeah. You need you need a a philosophy of spirituality and a learning experience. You're doing no harm. But we moved I mean, the Vatican is I think they are the richest.
They're the richest endowment. Yeah. Yeah. Any institution in the planet.
How how where where are they helping people with that those riches if they're ultra spiritual?
I think it's the growing poverty that exists in second and third world countries that are potentially mostly Catholic. I don't know.
It's just it's it's just baffling that the contradictions to I mean, I think spirituality even modern religion has you know, it does a lot for certain people. But in the end, how many wars have been fought in the
names I'm fuck. We're in one right now. Mhmm. Over in the name of, yeah, differences between
Jews and the Muslims fighting it out, and they've got the Christians involved on one side to fight fight part of that war and
Who've been told they have to do something based upon their religious belief systems in terms of getting into heaven. Right?
We really are in a holy war right now.
Yeah. It's crazy. But this might be a really fun thought exercise for you and I because I don't think we've ever done something like this where we take a concept and go deep. When you say spirituality, right, because we use words in conversation. Semantics is the description of that.
Yeah. Very seldomly do I say to you, Michael, use this word. By this word, how do you define it so I understand what you mean so that therefore I can tell you that I also have a similar if not same definition of said things. So when you say spirituality, everyone who's listening to this is gonna think what they think spirituality is. How That's true.
Well, it's funny because it's like a an automation
In AI where it's running through all these different things, but it's just a button. It's just one button. So, like, God and spirituality is the so I love this visual, and this is the best visual that people can kinda follow around this. But when you zoom out into space, you see planet Earth. And it's not like the the blue like, you go far out.
It's just a ball of energy. One ball of energy. We're singularity. And then you zoom in and it start it starts to get clear. But then once you pass society and pass the dirt, you're back down to little balls of energy or atoms.
Mhmm. So for me, we are all one. We are all Mhmm. These atoms on a certain level, societal level. It you know, we are one frame of the zoom.
There's multiple layers going in and out. So we go out, we're probably a multidimensional or interstellar or whatever you wanna call it. Mhmm. We're all one. God is something that was created for the general populace to have an idea of things they don't understand.
And we we really don't understand atomic, subatomic, nano. We we do scientists do, but general population does. And we don't understand multidimensional beings, existences, alternate timelines, all these different things. We can't based upon experience. But we have we have a theoretical understanding or vision.
This is why I like that that zoom in perspective. Everyone has a different perspective based off their knowledge base. Obviously, someone who's been in science can understand more of these knowledge bases. God is the summary. You know, most spirituality is a summary of of guideline.
And I I like I like a lot of the religion because they do give guidelines and and philosophy, how not to be a cunt, basically, color it up. I mean, that's Buddhism. Don't don't be a cunt in a in a nutshell. Be a kind person. Don't be an asshole.
And that's one area I agree with you that the fundamental tenants of the values in most religions and spiritual practices ideally encourage you to be a fundamentally good person at your core.
Yeah. But then they throw the the finances in it and the control mechanisms. And and I get it. Back in the day, you probably didn't you control mechanisms were probably more necessary because you didn't want people going out and murdering everyone. There wasn't police state as much.
You know? You needed some guardrails. You needed some guardrails so people would be afraid. Like, I murdered my neighbor. I'm going to hell.
Holy fuck. I don't know what hell is, but it sounds really bad. So you it's it's kinda like a a massive psyop to just keep people from acting out of control. I don't know when the finances became overly involved, probably around the holy wars where they started going out and killing people and taking all their shit. But for me, to sum summarize spirituality are just the the understanding of an interconnectedness that we are all unified as one here and possibly with more in the universe than we even really understand on a very large or very minor scale because it goes both ways.
Mhmm. Yeah. I like that. And and and I agree with the premise of a few things you said that very specifically to where if you're having a human experience, which we are right now, we're consciousness having a human experience when you've condensed yourself down into matter, which is a fact of being here and having this experience. Yes, this appears to be solid.
Yes. You can only understand what you can intellectually grasp or you can experience through whatever ways that you have developed yourself. And for most people, they think that the framework of how religion presents things, you born into this world, you die, you go to heaven, you go to hell. It's simple. There's not much grasp ambiguity there if you don't allow yourself to open up the Pandora's box of asking questions to the unknown.
I have had a multitude of my own subjective experiences that make me truly understand that this is not all that I am. That's not all that you are. And you realize that, yes, what you said is we're all part of an interconnected web. We are all one, but that doesn't mean that I am you experientially, but we are part of fabric that connects everything together and that fabric as you said goes down and becomes very very minuscule to the point where there's no matter left. Then it goes inversely the opposite way to where it becomes more and more dense and then it becomes larger and larger and larger to the point where there actually isn't anything that constitutes it.
To me that's God. God is source energy. God is creator but God gets and I believe the term is where we we ascribe physical character traits, human character traits to a god like figure. And it's like, oh, if everyone says, well, he does this. He does that.
And I go, well, I'm not gonna be the person says, god is woman. No. No. It it's beyond that. It's beyond all that.
God truly is genderless. It can't have a gender. It's the female. It's alpha. It's omega.
And and and that's where I think people get really thrown off in in their world of
it's hard to understand that because they can't visualize. It's easier to do the god with the beard of the cloud knocking down judgmental and the
the scary guy. And it's there's varying layers of complexities in terms of, you know, condensed things of matter. There's probably things that are beyond that within this dimension alone that we can't perceive. There are other dimensionalities, but they're just little facets of the jewels of existence that we are such a small part of for bone smashing our face thinking that's all that we are. It's a sad state of existence.
But why I'm saying all this is that's a hard thing for the average person to live in. They go, well, what do I believe in? Who gives me my guidelines? Who tells me how I should or shouldn't be? Who determines anything?
Where do I go after this? You don't know. You just have to be present and be here and to me we spirit having a human experience. So when you're spiritual it's in the name. Like you are Spirit you all.
Exactly. Or have you ever broken apart the word incarnation?
It's into the meat. Carne is meat. Right? In the Latin root. So like it's all there as an obvious We are
Meat puppets. Not in a weird harvesting way. But why I think this stuff is fun to discuss is no one's ever gonna know all the answers. Only person who can tell you all the answers that you can self generate in life is you when you go inside and start to examine the inner world which really I believe comprises the outer world that we experience. But if we don't have these conversations and maybe give people the catalyst to free themselves from institutional thinking, from oppressive thinking, from controlled thought, you realize that you came here to experience a spiritual experience in a physical form and there is definitely a connection to all of this stuff because the atmosphere being exactly 21 to 22% oxygen is not here by accident.
Yeah. The ability for the sun to create the exact light energy that allows photosynthesis in a plant to grow Mhmm. Is not by accident. All those things are the manifestation of love of the creator God showing us that we're here to enjoy ourselves and learn stuff and have fun.
But what if that that is just pure chaos that organized
It's all it's all random chance. There's no planning involved there. But these conversations I think are essential for people to think about because if you weren't important, didn't matter and you weren't loved, you wouldn't be here.
At least that's how I see it. Maybe I'm wrong, but
Well, I mean, back again to the people, self opting out. Mhmm. It's because they don't feel love because they're they're They've
Yeah. Exactly. So they're self opting out in one way or another because that you kinda hit it there on the the head. Yeah. This is funny funny thing in being the wellness space with the EE system for so long is the people I've seen have the most radical health turnarounds are ones who have a family.
So the mother with breast cancer, she really wants to be here for her kids. Yep. And it's a she has a reason to be here. She's here. The worst ones are the ones that really have no reason to be here.
That is like, yeah, you can do all the things, but that person's probably not gonna come back because they've already left. Mhmm. They're gone already. They have no anchor to this existence. No love, as you're saying.
Mhmm. No passion. It's I've been here. I experienced it and I'm exiting the ride.
And to bring this full circle, my fear for humanity right now is we're teaching a bunch of young people no self love skills. We're not actively but society is teaching them based upon where they're consuming their content, where they're being influenced and what they're being influenced by. That the only way to be of value here is to self indulge and become uber narcissistic so you can stand out from the rest at the expense of everyone else losing and you winning. There's no bringing them together, teaching them about self cultivation, about self growth, about understanding that going through challenges are the things that actually help you grow in life, and developing that inner love and that inner resolve is really what creates a meaningful existence.
That's very, very good statement. I think we should wrap there because that was profound. I don't
think I'm gonna say anything better than that.
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