You're tuned into everything's energy show. I'm your host, Michael Scaler. I'm joined by Moreno and Roland. Today we're going to have a discussion about, I guess really the philosophy behind the guru complexes that have been utilized throughout history and even most, most recently, you see it everywhere, from YouTube to the news to politicians utilizing things like gaslighting.
And most importantly, we're going to talk about spiritual gaslighting and how that kind of, frames a very mischievous thing. But I want to start with a quote Matthew 715 beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. Very powerful statement. I think we're going to dive into a few different topics like we can go.
We can start with politics using the spiritual gaslighting. Possibly because you have the right who's ultra Christian, and then you have the left who are, like, well, I don't even know what to call them because they're not I feel like they're more atheist.
Agnostic, maybe agnostic.
They don't. They follow their own beliefs or what? You know, the television tells them to be upset about on a regular basis. Not being judging the last. I'm very moderate. Very hard, moderate. But it's, What what are your thoughts on.
Well, it's hard to say because you're right. There have been these teams that have emerged from this whole political separation, and the whole idea is to pit the two teams against each other and battle for supremacy. And for the system that works well because you have this constant back and forth for the unification of humanity. I think it's incredibly detrimental because sometimes people will go after the spiritual and personal beliefs of people on the other side as a way to go them into a fight, as a way to make something about them that they are putting out into the world wrong, offensive, what have you.
So I think in the bigger picture, anytime there's an adversarial dynamic politically, spiritually, whatever the planet suffers, humanity suffers.
Yeah. I mean, you can't have unification if you're drawing hard lines in the sand where you're like, well, if you're on this side or this side, you have to be this way. And, and you have to stay this way. And then they use, you know, Christianity though, the right uses Christianity specifically. If you're a good Christian, you need to be on the right.
It doesn't mean you can't have political views on the left either. But drawing that hard, hard, hard line in the sand does nothing but disassociate the populace.
Yeah, even when it comes to, I mean, like all beliefs carry with them consequences. So they might use some psyop to get people to kind of get on their side, without realizing that, like, yeah, you may have won that battle, but now this human being is walking around with this belief and it's affecting them in their life.
And I think about that when it comes to like, marketing, because you have some marketers who create kind of like or amplified people's insecurities just so that they can get them to buy the product, right. They'll say all of these things are happening to you because you don't have this, or you're this or you're that. And then I personally buy the product, but then they're still walking around now with this insecurity.
And so I think in like politics, it's the same case where they presented things in a certain way just to get the upper hand, without caring about what everyone believes and what's actually good for everyone. They don't care that everyone is divided, they just care that they're in power.
Well, what they want is to take control more than they want to honor the true beliefs set of the person who's supplicant to them. And, you know, you ask about what one of my thoughts on this whole gaslighting thing when it comes to the connection between spirituality and politics, I think it's like nefarious. It's ridiculous in the sense that if you're going to manipulate something that is someone's most precious inner aspect of existence, their beliefs that their spiritual beliefs, specifically the relationship with God to suit your.
Agenda, yeah, the money that is a demonic content and that is essentially a Luciferian way of using something that is very precious to someone to where you you bypass their logical thought and their critical thinking and analysis abilities because you've made them. Religion sometimes pushes people back to child state. They go back to like Sunday school or religious beliefs sets they've been taught since kids.
It's I call it programing, right. It's it's just unaware programing. And I think people know about this. And in some cases, maybe this answers why there's such a resurgence of people moving towards something wholesome, Christianity and what have you. On one side, because where there are numbers, there's strength and where there's strength, there's the ability to facilitate a common thought, a collective consciousness that hopefully can maybe battle against what people are seeing as darkness trying to pervade inner reality or.
Exactly. But then the deeper level there is, if people catch wind of what the collective consciousness is wanting to vibe to, and they can find a way to psi up that and manipulate that. It's like an inception. It's a dream within a dream. They're dropping down another layer and you don't know if these people who are aligned with the left or right and their affiliations or beliefs, are they authentic or are they actually just an illusion?
Yeah. And I think that that's why there's a lot of people that are like on their own spiritual journey. Right? Because they don't want to be part of that collective because.
They've been wolf spirituality, the.
Sigma, I think, I think they call it.
Well, maybe they they've not been able to kind of articulate what's happening right at a collective level. They just know that what's happening they don't like and they're like, I'm just going to form my own relationship with God, and I'm it's going to be that. Because when I go here, I it's like, yes, we're all following kind of my same beliefs, but it's being attributed to doing this thing.
And if you don't do these things and you're not one of us kind of a thing, right?
Yeah. So I think that that creates like that, that separation there.
I had a question about that then. So that's a response. Call it a compensation response to someone feeling like they're being controlled or they're being goaded. And the benefit that can come out of that is a person develops their own sense of mind, their own sense of self to where they're not as easily manipulated or controlled. I think the downside is, spiritual aloneness is a horrible thing.
If that's your indefinite path, because we're not meant to be, I shouldn't say we're not, I don't know, but ideally, we're probably not idealized to be on our own journey all the time, not connecting with other people because the path becomes lonely. But what do you guys think of that as a cost benefit when it comes to the guru syndrome?
So someone's divorced from Christianity. Catholicism and Judaism, whatever. They're on their own path and they have the desire for teaching. They have the site, the desire for guidance and belonging. And then, lo and behold, they meet their guru, their teacher, their leader. Like, that's a thing. That's a thing that then pulls people into potentially an insidious, dark existence that their desire for seeking is stronger than their ability to to potentially see the warning signs or consider the red flags.
What do you think about that? Now, the whole idea.
Is to think like, let's foundational about that is that they are running away from the collective. So seeing this individual that thinks differently really compels them to say, oh, he's one of like me. He's one of us individuals because he's going against the whole collective, right? He's not part of the church or part of any other organization. And I think that that is also what draws them in because that individual's going against that other collective.
So he's like on my side. Right. Which is that the beginning of that psyop of just like, well, I'm one of you, I'm on your side and we're fighting this together. And that sense of belongingness is what gets people started on, oh, I'm going to follow and listen to what this person is doing, which is I think it's a horrible thing to do, because what ends up happening is people don't think for themselves, they just offshore their critical thinking skills like, well, this person said that it's good.
It's like a, oh, I trust this person because he's he's all about truth, transparency and love and light. It's like, well, these people may say these things. They just know these trigger words to psychologically get them hooked. And then we're hooked. Yeah. It's like, but you're you're right though, because you have these people splintering off from mainstream mainstream ideologies.
And so they're looking for something to make them feel whole in that aspect. So we'll find this guru or this idol or influencer or something that that is preaching things that resonate with them. And this person literally knows exactly how to trigger them and control them and does it purposefully and seems like, wearing the robes, I say truth, transparency, loving, light enough.
They believe me, and behind closed doors are a completely different person. Or have, nefarious intent or and, you know, one of the easy ways to spot, these kind of gurus is, at the end of the day, what do they benefit? Are they giving everything back to humanity? It's never the case with any, you know, the sex calls, all these things that show up are influencers.
It's. Oh, I'm here for you. And, and they say, well, I'm. I'm the philanthropist, and I'm giving away all this money, and they give away like, 2% of their money if, and, you know, they're just hoarding wealth and, like, figuring out ways to literally you see what some of these, indications is, you know, it's that you need to unburden yourself with your worldly assets and give it to the church so that we can invest it wisely.
And it's just a burden to you. So just give us all your things and come in here, and we'll let you pray. And maybe we'll give you some drugs, or there might be some weird sexual stuff involved.
Yeah. The, I was just on an Instagram and this,
Because you have, daddy, so. All right, let's, pick up, where were we on that? I think it was like that. Okay. Yeah.
I was just on Instagram, and, one of my friends was talking about how she was on TikTok and, she had this one girl that was on there, and she was praying, and she was on a live, and people were joining, and she was like, oh, like, this is great. Like for us using this, this platform to come together and pray and everything.
And then she's like, but then a couple minutes in, the girls, just like all of you, find it in your hearts and $50, you know, and it'll come back to you a hundred fold. And don't worry, like God will, will, will multiply it for you. If you find it in your heart, give $100. And she's like, what's happening to this person?
Give me the person saying, send 100 to me.
My favorite is you get these, influencers that moved to Bali and they preach, oh, capitalism is so bad and money is evil. And then at the end, it's like, so who wants to join me in Bali for my thousand dollar, a day course on how capitalism is bad. And, you know, spirituality is everything. And you need to unburden yourself.
My favorite way to bypass that is asking the question if if I couldn't hear what this person is saying, do their actions show me that they're doing the right thing or that they actually care? Right, because they'll say all of the things that they need to say, but are they showing up and doing the things like you said, when they say, well, we got to get back, like, are they actually giving back to the community?
Just saying that they are right, that there's a huge difference. And and it's hard nowadays because everything is online and you can't believe what you see because it's all a facade.
I can't say how many people that people think are like ultra spiritual people I've met. As soon as the camera stops rolling or they're not around the people that they need to pretend to, it's night and day and you're just like, yeah, you're disgusting.
Don't, don't, don't meet your idols. Is that.
And it's interesting because I've met a lot of people in this world, I'm sure you guys have as well. And I notice the people who have a large audience are following a platform to uphold. They have the most two faced kind of dynamic. It's the most. But I don't want to make blanket statement.
And then I have also been very fortunate to study with mentor, get to know a lot of people who are incredibly gifted in what they do. You can't find them anywhere. They don't care about being rich or famous or anything. They're just, you know, someone of their craft. And as you were talking about, the ways of teasing out, you know, falsehood versus reality, I think there's two perspectives that might be worth discussing here.
Looking at an individual in the consideration of a group dynamic, the person as being a leader in a group, watching their intentions and actions as it relates to a group, and then as an individual all interacting with that person one on one. Does that makes sense? What I'm asking, because I think in the sense of the one on one dynamic, if you're someone who's looking for a teacher or a guide, I don't want to make it seem like every single teacher out there is dark and bad.
No, there are great people and great teachers. The one thing that I've learned from the people I've worked with who are on the good side, is they don't want you to blindly follow them. They don't want to be the reference point or the person who always has the answer. They're trying to encourage you to stop actually depending upon them.
Yeah, stop asking questions. Stop asking me for what your free will or your own internal intuition can tell you. I think on an individual basis, that's an incredibly good sign for someone who is here to teach, because at some point there is someone who knows more than you always. And then you may not know exactly what they do, but you rise to the level where you've learned from what it is that you materialize them for.
Then you move on. They move on, and you remain friends or colleagues on a group dynamic. I think it's exactly that. It's like, bring people in, get them all warm and fuzzy. You get them hooked, and then when they're guards down, manipulate the idea of, oh, well, if it's spiritual, it should never be said no to you should give money.
If it's for good, you should do this for me. And then it gets even darker to where people are trying to dissolve their own identities and egos and boundaries for the benefits of the energetics that comes from that journey. You know what I mean? Like the real dark stuff.
And I think it's like influence is geometric. It's not this one thing that I weave over your head to control you. There's multiple things, right? So you have things like religion, right? But then you also have identity, someone's identity and how they identify. And kind of like, a good example is like, if you don't do this and you're not this kind of person and you're like, wait a minute, I am that kind of person, right?
And you wanted to do it. And there's like all of these, different kinds of, like, influence tactics, if you will. Another one is like the sunken loss fallacy, which is like, if you commit to something and you're doing it, then it's much harder for you to detach from it. There are one of like the biggest, scams when it comes to like, the guru that knows more than you and will show you the way.
It's actually in real estate. It's all of these seminars of just like, become ultra wealthy, right? Like I sold all these houses and I made all this money. And so they always start off free, right? But it's not free because you've flown there, you invest your time and then you go to the next one, and then you're telling your friends and family about it, and even though they're telling you, hey, like I've seen this before, it's not going to work.
You're like, no. So once you've already made that commitment to your families and friends, once weird stuff starts to happen, it's really difficult for the average person to say, I was wrong. This is a scam and I'm out. What they do is like, I'll make it right and I'll prove them wrong kind of a thing. And I saw this documentary on this and it's so sad.
There are people who literally commit suicide because they invest 20, 30, 40, $50,000 into these programs. And it's not working right because it's a scam. But they couldn't set aside their ego to kind of, you know, along that journey, say, you know what? I was led here and I was wrong. And the best thing that I can do is leave and kind of just communicate that, I don't know if this is like a Chinese thing, but it was presented to me that way.
But I love it. It says if you get on the wrong train, get off at the next immediate stop. The longer you stay on the train, the more expensive it will be to get back home.
That's true. But to your point, people will often you know, like, okay, it's 10,000 to start and like, well, you're going to lose that 10,000 if you don't pay another 10,000. So they'll chase their loss. Yes. And the scammer will know how to do that. There's actually a huge, thing called the butchered pig scam, where a fake investment company gets typically older people or naive people to invest it called a hundred grand, and then they'll show them that their 100 grand is turned into a million.
They said, well, you need to, give us 100 more thousand dollars to get out your million dollars. So, and it's obviously that sounds fishy with to be like, oh, well, I've got a million in there. I just need a hundred K to get that million out, and then I'll be set for life. And then the end story really is they've lost 200 K.
I mean all Ponzi schemes you know the another one that they do is yeah people will invest and then the future investors then use that money to pay back. So then now you're as an individual like oh I get this money, I get 10,000 and I got 13 or 14,000 back.
Like this word Ponzi is a little better that because some people get to the butcher pig is literally just a hardcore give me your money, give me the same amount again. Take, take. And then the person's left.
That's what and the president is like very closely to our gambling and the casino. Right. You're chasing that loss, and you think that, you're going to get it back. But every every time you play, you're actually more at odds of getting that money back. But it's just like a psychological thing where people are just chasing that and they'll go through extreme measures.
They'll put up that at least at their car, their house. I've seen all sorts of crazy, crazy stuff. But yeah, these are all kind of like the points that like, these gurus kind of like any influence course or any videos that I watch, they really got it figured out and they're all using it. And now with all of the marketing and the way that these platforms are designed to make you addicted to them, it's just it's the the perfect recipe for disaster, I think in our modern day.
Yeah. Do you have anything that I think we'll wrap up around there? Any last minute thoughts?
Well, I'm always trying to look at things from a multitude of perspectives. And, you know, maybe just as a philosophical thought, maybe the bigger picture of someone's life, the materialized an experience like this to learn the power of their own intuition, their own thought. Right. Because I don't want to think that there's no benefit that comes from a negative situation.
There can't be in the world of polarity and absolute all bad with no good. Because a lot of the times these gurus are not too dissimilar to schoolyard bullies who just need to be stood up to you. But it doesn't mean you need to stand up to them and beat the crap out of them and go to jail.
It's you say no. You learn the power of your own and.
Power. No, not the power of no. But the power of no is you actually go and look. I trust that I feel that I'm being taken advantage of and I have to call this person out. And it's something that I'm betting on myself as a self-development thing so that a, I'm not going to get duped. But in the future, I will now be present enough and not be emotionally manipulated to know when I'm being game.
So I think, you know, if this has ever happened to anyone. I always try to take a positive from a negative situation because everything happens for you in life if you want to look at it that way. So that's my final thought.
No, I think that's a very profound statement. Thank you. I would follow up with, if you're being taken advantage of, speak up, say no and speak up, because if you're the first person in line and there's 100 after you and no one says no or speaks up until it's 100 people deep or a thousand people deep, then there's no warning signs for everyone else.
And they've got to go through that, that same learning experience. And I feel like a group can get some of that learning experience from the initial person saying no or being or start asking questions or just saying, hey, you guys should be aware of this situation. But yeah, and I see you ended that really beautifully. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have any great topics you think we should talk about on some of our shows, we would love new ideas from directly from you.
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